388 officers from 6 forces policed Wrexham during far-right protest

Published date: 24 November 2009 | Published by: Claire Gallagher and Phil Robinson


388 officers from 6 forces policed Wrexham during far-right protest 

NEARLY 400 officers from six different police forces were on duty for a protest march in Wrexham the Leader has learned.

The cost to taxpayers of policing Saturday's event, which was organised by far-right group the Welsh Defence League has been described as a “very heavy cost for democracy.”

A total of 388 officers from North Wales and the neighbouring forces of Dyfed Powys, Gwent, Cheshire, Merseyside and Greater Manchester were on duty for the demonstration in the town centre, which resulted in four arrests for public order offences.

North Wales Police has not yet put a figure on the cost of the operation but has said that it is likely to be a “substantial”.

North Wales Conservative AM Mark Isherwood said: “It is unacceptable that these thugs and hooligans are exploiting liberal democracy to push their views across.

“It is because of them that we, the taxpayer, are having to pay for this.

“We do not want this waste of taxpayers’ money but we can’t criticise the police who have been forced to spend money they can’t afford, leaving less for all of us.

“We need to tackle the basis of the serious threat which are the fascists.”

North Wales Lib Dem AM, Eleanor Burnham, who lives in Wrexham, said: “This is likely to be a very heavy cost for democracy.

“Those who were in Wrexham on Saturday were extreme people with extreme views but, although I dislike what they had to say, I realise that the police had to ensure they had freedom of speech.

“However, it does bother me that we had to give them so much protection.”

The demonstration by an estimated 80 protesters, who came in from other parts of Wales and England, was organised by the Welsh Defence League, which claims to be against Muslim “extremism”.

North Wales’ temporary deputy chief constable for North Wales Police, Ian Shannon, said: “Although we are not yet able to give a final figure, clearly there has been a substantial financial cost to North Wales Police and the other organisations who worked with us.

“Public safety was our priority and a substantial and visible police operation was needed.

“Our response was considered and proportionate and we were able to deal with the protest in a controlled way.”

Protesters congregated outside the Elihu Yale pub in Regent Street before marching through the town.

Groups opposed to the Welsh Defence League organised a counter event at Queen’s Square, called Wrexham Communities Festival.

It featured a range of attractions and promoted the message that the town was against racists.

Police closed Regent Street for a period to make sure that two groups were kept apart.

Two people arrested for breaches of the peace were released without charge and another two people arrested for public order offences were given fixed penalty fines.

Wrexham AM Lesley Griffiths said: “The prime consideration for the police will have been public safety and upholding law and order at a crucial time for Wrexham town centre, just as the Christmas shopping period began.

“Given the experience of other towns and cities in which fascist protests have taken place in recent months, I am confident that North Wales Police took the right decision in relation to policing levels.

“Ultimately, of course, the chief constable would make his calculations on the numbers of police that should be deployed based on the intelligence he was receiving at the time.”

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  1. Posted by: a cahill at 09:20 on 24 November 2009 Report

    Before politicians sound off about the cost of this demonstation they should consider the reasons for the rise in extremism..... the fact that two groups were allowed to gather on the same day with the support of elected reps on one side caused the police to take appropriate measures to protect public safety... the blame lies with the organisers for the added costs to taxpayers

  2. Posted by: a cahill at 09:37 on 24 November 2009 Report

    Who are Communities Festival.... an unknown group suddenly appearing and setting themselselves as the protectors of the people of Wrexham..... unelected and just as secretive as the WDL.... both groups it seems with a hidden political agenda.... yet not allowing for the democratic process to be entered into... overall a shameful episode in the ongoing disregard for the electorate

  3. Posted by: tommy at 11:36 on 24 November 2009 Report

    Hi a Cahill, Well observed comments.

  4. Posted by: MAAWxm at 11:43 on 24 November 2009 Report

    a cahill: Communities festival – after extensive consultation with Police and Council, hundreds of local people enjoy music in a marquee in Queens Square, no alcohol, peaceful and inclusive, a handful of police officers happily chat to the crowd. (see below for continuation)

  5. Posted by: MAAWxm at 11:44 on 24 November 2009 Report

    ...continued EDL march - 80 non-local hooligans threaten they’ll 'attack if provoked', arrive, drink heavily, begin racist chanting, insult local shoppers. Require a massive police presence to close the road and prevent them from assaulting the public. Four arrests. I see a huge difference between the groups and their cost to the taxpayer. Do you honestly believe if the Communities festival hadn't taken place the EDL 'march' would not have required 300 police officers?

  6. Posted by: MAAWxm at 11:53 on 24 November 2009 Report

    I can only presume that 'a cahill' and 'tommy' are amongst the few English Defence League supporters. After their shameful display of abusive behaviour on Saturday they should have no more local recruits - they seem to have been strongly rejected by the Wrexham people.

  7. Posted by: GBoycs at 12:03 on 24 November 2009 Report

    Haha, maawxm, this really has gotten up your nose hasn't it. Of the 80 non-local hooligans as you put it, i counted 22 from wrexham, 2 from denbighshire, and another 15 or so from south wales. So please define to me your definition of non-local?

  8. Posted by: GBoycs at 12:04 on 24 November 2009 Report

    Haha, maawxm, this really has gotten up your nose hasn't it. Of the 80 non-local hooligans as you put it, i counted 22 from wrexham, 2 from denbighshire, and another 15 or so from south wales. So please define to me your definition of non-local?

  9. Posted by: GBoycs at 12:11 on 24 November 2009 Report

    Furthermore, when did anyone from the edl/wdl threaten attacking if provoked? Is that really the best you can do? The racist chants, ok so 10 muslim bombers is dubious but the rest consisted of national anthems and Rule Britannia, sorry for being proud to be british. Again, what evidence is there to suggest we insulted local shoppers?

  10. Posted by: MAAWxm at 12:14 on 24 November 2009 Report

    As a rule I don't class South Wales as local, no. Waving a Flag of St George with 'Bolton Wanderers FC', singing 'God Save the Queen' and calling the passers-by 'Welsh Scum' tends also not to be usual behaviour for the average member of the Wrexham community. Right. I've said my piece. I'll leave this forum now and let it go back to being the usual message-board for the EDL / neo-nazis that it seems to attract. Cheerio.

  11. Posted by: GBoycs at 12:15 on 24 November 2009 Report

    I can justify the above as i actually went on the march, and am from wrexham, so sorry to disappoint your non-welsh theory. Would it have anything to do with the poor showing for the communities festival by any chance, with locals seemingly far more interested in the march?

  12. Posted by: GBoycs at 12:19 on 24 November 2009 Report

    Haha, considering the welsh lads were just as vocal singing the British national anthem God save the Queen, i very much doubt calling passers by welsh scum would have gone down well. Yes thats right, we are all nazis, everyone with an opinion that differs from yours. I'm glad you can take a mature approach to this, haha

  13. Posted by: a cahill at 12:43 on 24 November 2009 Report

    Once again MAAWxm... who are you ..... Who are your local supporters... name the Cllrs and other politicos who supported your overtly political gathering..... if hundreds attended then will yuo give the profit to cover part of the cost of policing

  14. Posted by: a cahill at 12:53 on 24 November 2009 Report

    MAAWxm...... thats right..... scurry off into the corner you emerged from.......thus preventing any kind of debate from being opened.....just like your cohorts in Labour and Plaid who only have one interest in common..... ripping the electorate off and self promotion

  15. Posted by: a cahill at 13:12 on 24 November 2009 Report

    It is always the last resort of the inadequate to resort to name calling and making false allegations against people...... one week I'm accused of defaming the Assembly next I'm in the WDL..... just shows how little the people involved understand the concept of democracy and are willig to deny it to the electorate

  16. Posted by: tommy at 14:07 on 24 November 2009 Report

    I would also like to mention that I am not a member(or sympathise with) the BNP OR the WDL(EDL) but some Plaid members have accused me of membership and racism.This is because Plaid cannot stand the accusation that they are just New Labour clones. One thing I hate more than a Tory and that's a Tory masqeurading as a socialist. cont.....

  17. Posted by: tommy at 14:12 on 24 November 2009 Report

    ..another saddening point.I spent most of Saturday mingling with Wrexham people and most of the people I spoke to were expressing massive dissatisfaction with the whole immigrant issue. The reason is simple,racism is the result of economic inequality.If everone is enjoying a similar lifestyle then racism will go away.Give people good homes,decent jobs and respect and you will see an end to racism... continued

  18. Posted by: tommy at 14:18 on 24 November 2009 Report

    cont: but create inequality and that will lead to tensions and racism. There is not one major political party in the UK that has an agenda for creating an egalitarian society,and that includes Plaid.Every major UK party embrace the free market economy and capitalism. All of which promotes inequality and racism.In order to progress we must be free of religions and self serving politicians.The party system has become a dustbin for the carreer politicians.We need positive change.

  19. Posted by: tommy at 14:28 on 24 November 2009 Report

    cont: but create inequality and that will lead to tensions and racism. There is not one major political party in the UK that has an agenda for creating an egalitarian society,and that includes Plaid.Every major UK party embrace the free market economy and capitalism. All of which promotes inequality and racism.In order to progress we must be free of religions and self serving politicians.The party system has become a dustbin for the carreer politicians.We need positive change.

  20. Posted by: wrexhamdavies at 15:11 on 24 November 2009 Report

    Firstly a cahill, it was organised with members of plaid who you have a lot of dealings with, have you not a hidden political agenda.... with all your postings. There was a democratic process, should of gone to the meetings, you talk of the above and who is having meetings behind closed doors Mr cahill ,i would call the meetings you go to an undemocratic process

  21. Posted by: PlaidDragon at 15:51 on 24 November 2009 Report

    a cahill, tommy and GBoycs, you are more than welcome to delude yourself about your racist little protest with Bolton's finest, but the numbrous video on youtube of the rabble outside Elihu Yale contradict all your points, cont...

  22. Posted by: PlaidDragon at 15:53 on 24 November 2009 Report

    it is indeed mostly Bolton, all singing 'EDL' and 'We want our country back' whilst brandishing an England flag. Oh dear, how ironic. You EDL really aren't the brightest bunch are you? cont...

  23. Posted by: a cahill at 15:55 on 24 November 2009 Report

    The recent Udecide is a good example of how well Plaid Cllrs regard the people Of Caia..... Cllr Jones actually made the presentation on behalf of home owners in Queenway completely forgetting that the money was for Council Tenants use only.....the result of which is that not one project put forward by Tenants has seen the light of day

  24. Posted by: PlaidDragon at 15:56 on 24 November 2009 Report

    Whereas the WCAR festival attracted over 300 people on the day, and sent a clear message : Wrexham will not tolerate racism and bigotry. I await the usual baseless insults and claims i'm lying. The videos are on youtube for anyone who wants to see them, just type 'EDL Wrexham'

  25. Posted by: a cahill at 16:10 on 24 November 2009 Report

    It's nice to know that I have become so influential...... not being anywhere near the Town Centre on Saturday.... it seems I was able to stir up a lot of trouble.... but then again Plaids attitude towards England leaves them in no position to call anyone a racist....I suppose that with their coomunity based claims they will offer their Council allowances towards the cost of Policing

  26. Posted by: Roland Cleth at 16:31 on 24 November 2009 Report

    Seeing as we have people from the Communities Group posting, can someone explain to me the need to hold the festival at the same time as the WDL/EDL meeting? On the face of it, this invites the possibility of confrontation and the increased need for policing. Why not just hold it the following weekend? Your point could just as easily be made by showing the contrast in attendances.

  27. Posted by: Roland Cleth at 16:37 on 24 November 2009 Report

    Can someone also explain to us how the Police intelligence was so flawed. Everyone knows the muppets from the EDL are a tiny organisation who'd struggle to fill a reasonably sized pub in the Isle of Dogs (the WDL aren't even on the radar). The weather was always going to be foul. Why the need to cancel all leave etc and bring in so many extra bodies.

  28. Posted by: a cahill at 16:41 on 24 November 2009 Report

    Davies... Dragon.... as you claim to know me so well, its obvious that you would know that my nationality precludes me from joining either the BNP or WDL/EDL...and any recent meetings I attended were instigated by Cllr Harper with a view to getting a better deal for the community of Caia Park.... it bears the name of Caia Alliance to allow it to work in all wards of the area and so far has come up with the idea of a drum band for the younsters

  29. Posted by: Roland Cleth at 16:43 on 24 November 2009 Report

    PlaidDragon - Obviously you're from the Searchlight school of anti-nazism ie anyone who mentions anything right wing is automatically a fascist. Given that you're new round here, I'd like to point out that, from their numerous previous postings, on a range of matters, "a cahill" and "Tommy" have shown themselves to be anything but nazis/right wingers/fascists etc. And, as far as GBoycs goes, I will defend his right to make an embarrassing idiot of himself.

  30. Posted by: a cahill at 17:08 on 24 November 2009 Report

    Davies..... Thank God for that... I'm so glad that I have no influence over no body !!!!... should I choose to use "differant" wording it won't change the way I feel about the senseless actions of you and your buddies.... if it was meant as a threat then it proves a point that you are no different than the bully boys of the BNP

  31. Posted by: a cahill at 17:42 on 24 November 2009 Report

    The fact still remains that the Council taxpayer now has to foot the bill for extra policing that had to be in place because of the complications caused by two different and unknown groups deciding to hold what can only be described as confrontational events

  32. Posted by: cymro at 18:15 on 24 November 2009 Report

    The political elite are so small minded..allthree of you.you can throw mud ,it sticks ,the mud has hardened and is now fallen off.stop your silly sound bites..address our concerns about sharria and muslim exstremists..you have allowed this ok you are AMs..devolvers..stop your playground insults and grow up.....please look at how you allowed ths

  33. Posted by: GBoycs at 18:29 on 24 November 2009 Report

    Wow, for such a small protest that had 'no' support from wrexham, or welsh people, it seems to have riled those deluded with the idea of welsh nationalistic supremacy. Plaid dragon, the videos show what? It was a 50/50 welsh english split, as the videos and i can contest to. http://www.flickr.com/photos/f18/4121898965/ I suppose this photo has been photoshopped?

  34. Posted by: GBoycs at 18:35 on 24 November 2009 Report

    Incidentally, it was the production of a welsh flag that garnered the biggest cheer of the day. Things must be bad if a cahill, the biggest leftie i know of on here is accused of racism. I have news for everybody, the wrexham lads and those in general who have not been brainwashed by extreme left garbage are the up and coming generation, those only recently of voting age. Finally, roland, you hypocrite as you shown to be in the past, how do i make a fool of myself?

  35. Posted by: greenflyer at 18:38 on 24 November 2009 Report

    firstly who said last week there would be trouble?-the communities festival and secondly will everybody in wrexham be happy when the mosque is built??-i dont think so ,but it will be too late by then AND THAT IS NOT RACIST AND IM NOT A NAZI

  36. Posted by: tommy at 21:52 on 24 November 2009 Report

    Plaid resorting to threats!!! How childish,especially when they exhibit a special kind of anti- english racism all of their own. Any one coming on here and accusing either Mr Carhil or myself of being right wing racists is in dire need of a brain transpalnt. Plaid have failed locally(council) and nationally(assembly) to promote any radical change and have just become new labour clones.

  37. Posted by: wrexhamdavies at 22:19 on 24 November 2009 Report

    UNDEMOCRATIC,i suppose your on the board , And the communties event had a lot of publicity, you seem to no everything whats going on, so how come you missed the boat?

  38. Posted by: Desssy at 22:55 on 24 November 2009 Report

    What is it that makes a bunch of mindless nazi cretin's so very very scared!

  39. Posted by: cymro at 00:21 on 25 November 2009 Report

    What is up with the lot of you..the islamists love all the in fighting with in the british community...you tear each other apart..islamist exstremism is the enemy..let's deal with that,support our DEFENCE LEAGUES..WELSH, ENGLISH SCOTTISH and ULSTER....we may be a fledgling movement ,but we intend to be here for a very long time..join our growing ranks.

  40. Posted by: Yachydda at 00:48 on 25 November 2009 Report

    With respect to all: The admission by the government that it let in 20,000 posible Islamic Extremists ( 8000 Taliban Families) withou any checks goes to show who is to blame for them being here.the further admission that there could be another 50,000 here due to an oversight is in itself a joke.The government also admits that its records show that it has also let 1.5 million illegal imigrants in shows they have no respect for anyone other than themselves... cont

  41. Posted by: Yachydda at 00:52 on 25 November 2009 Report

    When you flood a country with imigrant as has happened in the UK then you must automaticaly accept that there is going to be tracial tension... Europe recognised this back in 1990, but its corrupt ministers forced the UK to deal with the imigrant problem here and in france... with the understanding that the UK must takle in 2 million imigrants within a 5 year period...cont

  42. Posted by: Yachydda at 00:56 on 25 November 2009 Report

    the trouble with the UK is it has no real power anymore... Europe tells us to do it... and fine us if we dont... part of the understanding to the iraq and afghanistan wars is that as participants the UK must take the magority of displaced refugees...or imigrants.... cont

  43. Posted by: Yachydda at 01:00 on 25 November 2009 Report

    so for anyone to say its your fault... you stood by and let it happen is wrong... the government proved that it was not and still is not listening...it and its corrupt ministers are the guilty parties... not us... we have no power to stop them... and the use of force would be treason...cont

  44. Posted by: Yachydda at 01:04 on 25 November 2009 Report

    what we Brits must do is change that by insisting that we do have a referendum... to leave the corrupt Europe that we helped make, without it we lose all we see as ours,freedom of speech, freedom of choice and fredom of liberty.... and no im not scaremongering... im being honest .....cont

  45. Posted by: Yachydda at 01:08 on 25 November 2009 Report

    Racism has always been here in the UK and it will always be here... I honestly think that if you chucked all the imigrants out.. we would start on each other... humans are not happy unless they are at war... and who they war against matters not... that is in thier makeup, its part of being top dog.

  46. Posted by: Yachydda at 01:17 on 25 November 2009 Report

    With 1.5 million Illegal imigrants (recorded) and an estimated 500,000 unrecorded unknown illegal imigrants ( and growing) its a near imposible task for us to find and deport them , Europe has the biggest amnesty plan in history for illegal imigrants to become legal... and there's nothing we can do about it, once that happens Islamic extremism and terrorism will grow massivly... by order of Europe and its corrupt political masters.

  47. Posted by: wrexhamdavies at 08:50 on 25 November 2009 Report

    a.cahill. in a few postings you say marc jones and the u decide have done nothing,you attack plaid,then you say a caia alliance has an idea of a drum band for the younsters,with services cut,youth club closed and possibley some community centres ,how are you going to get the funding. I did not no about the caia alliance and as a resident of c

  48. Posted by: wrexhamdavies at 08:51 on 25 November 2009 Report

    aia park this is great news, perhaps this news should of come of C.Harper in a news letter. while we seem to have gone of the main subject, afestival of Diversity is agreat idea,lets hope they to can get the funding for more events.

  49. Posted by: a cahill at 08:58 on 25 November 2009 Report

    Yachydda.... I'm sure that you are aware of this but others may not be...... Beverly Hughes the then Minister with responsibility instructed ssenior civil servants to make only basic checks on immigrants in order toget back at the Party of the right and this isn't open to argument as it was posted on the Govt website... mind you it was hidden away in the hope that nobody would notice.

  50. Posted by: a cahill at 09:19 on 25 November 2009 Report

    Davies.... it should have come in the form of a press release by C Harper but so far nothing has come of it... and in fact I have asked people to come to the meetings but the last one was attended by only 2 Tenants... as far as funding goes groups have anentitlement to access funding which seems to go to the same old faces with little regard for the majority

  51. Posted by: a cahill at 09:28 on 25 November 2009 Report

    Davies...Your accusation that I attended secrect meetings has brought this to your notice.... last year I put forward an idea for a Talents of the Park exhibition but nothing has come of it.... I firmly believe that there is more talent on the Park than will ever be allowed to come to the fore because of the present situation of the same old faces running everything

  52. Posted by: a cahill at 09:40 on 25 November 2009 Report

    Davies.. What has happened over the years is a political factionalisation on the Park with a total disregard for the majority with funding going everywhere as long as you toe the party line, a festival of diversity is a great idea but should not be used as weapon to further any one groups political hang ups

  53. Posted by: wrexhamdavies at 09:41 on 25 November 2009 Report

    The festival of diversity in your comments was well publicised and lots of people involved,you state unelected undemocratic,rubbish,the police get payed to protect the public, and we has people of wrexham have a choice when and where we do things ,if you decided not to get involved thats your problem,and i hope that they go for funding to combat bigots and have more events. every body is a spokes person and not the chosen few, DIVERSITY.

  54. Posted by: a cahill at 10:02 on 25 November 2009 Report

    You seem to have a gtreat knowledge of what goes on in Wrexham .... maybe its a case of Cllrs from Plaid Cymru closing the shutters and only speaking to party acoylytes...... one tjhing is certain that the lack of publicity suggests that they wanted to be involved but only at arms lenght in order to cover themselves from accusations of conduct which is in conflict with their roles as Cllrs

  55. Posted by: a cahill at 10:24 on 25 November 2009 Report

    Dav ies ... I wasn't aware that the people of Wrexham were required to pay for Policing from six different forces in order to allow the local community to go about its lawful business a situation that arose because of the desire to act in a confrontational manner by an unknown and only recently formed alliance

  56. Posted by: a cahill at 10:33 on 25 November 2009 Report

    Three hundred people turned up to suppot the festival......thats not a great amount when you consider the total population of Wrexham and leaves a huge amount of bigots as you call them.... as far as meetings prior to the event where was the publicity.... also one other point ..wasn't it Plaid who led the charge against Israel over the Gaza conflict Where does that leave your claims of racism or bigotry

  57. Posted by: Roland Cleth at 10:56 on 25 November 2009 Report

    wrexhamdavies - "...the police get payed to protect the public..." Actually they get "paid". Anyway, can you please just explain the need to hold the festival on the same day. Why not hold it the following week as a response to the EDL/WDL.

  58. Posted by: wrexhamdavies at 11:22 on 25 November 2009 Report

    a.cahill. Plaid who led the charge against Israel over the Gaza conflict Where does that leave your claims of racism or bigotry We need more events to combat racist bigots in our community,thus the Diversity communties day, and 300 turning up for the event proves that it had a lot of publicity. its obvious your stuck on this evening leader to go out and do something positive for once, cyber armchair critic springs to mind

  59. Posted by: wrexhamdavies at 11:27 on 25 November 2009 Report

    a.cahill, it was not plaid who led the charge against Israel the Gaza conflict ,it was world wide, go check it out,

  60. Posted by: tommy at 12:07 on 25 November 2009 Report

    Actually NONE of the major political(including Plaid) parties did anything significent to to stop the Isreal attack on Gaza. All we got from the politico's was the usual bog standard statement of condemanation,but nothing radical. Plaid went on to give 29 million of aid to airbus(taxpayers money) whose parent company supply the Isreali army. You cannot trust polticians of any party...cont

  61. Posted by: tommy at 12:12 on 25 November 2009 Report

    ....Any movement for real change will have to come from the people,and not politicians who put their careers first. The problem is we have a modern world with dynamic scientific advancement,but our economic/social system is designed to preserve the elite,in other words we have a medievil political system in a modern world

  62. Posted by: a cahill at 13:05 on 25 November 2009 Report

    Tommy ...never a truer word spoken... as you can see from the postings on here it is almost impossible to engage in any kind of intelligent or open debate..... every day we see the subversion of democracy and decisions being made despite the views of the majority and then justified by press release and spun to death with the result that truth is overlooked to suit the politcal view of the minority oor elite

  63. Posted by: wrexhamdavies at 13:21 on 25 November 2009 Report

    a.cahill.you speak of uneletcted,undemocratic meetings within wrexham,when in fact you are worse than all the partys put together, and you say you have asked people, who are you to decide what and when,please spare our communitys your comments , and as typical tou back track on your comments and get mine deleted. so who is surprising the truth, i feel you do not like being in the wrong, so get postings deleted

  64. Posted by: a cahill at 13:25 on 25 November 2009 Report

    It suits political parties to deny the majority any input into decision making and it is particularly true of the elected reps in Caia who despite the problems affecting the area continue on as if time has stood still and people should respect their actions even though a lot of it has not actually concerned Caia directly

  65. Posted by: wrexhamdavies at 13:34 on 25 November 2009 Report

    a.cahill,what political parties and elected reps are you refering to, we have the allotments which we did not have, so what decision making are you refering to yet again the ones you go to, unelected undemocratic

  66. Posted by: a cahill at 13:42 on 25 November 2009 Report

    Davies what are you on about...... I can assure you that I haven't had any of your posts deleted... preferring to let you make an ass of yourself all by yourself... furtrer more you corrected a mistake in spelling that Carrie Harper regularly makes so who are you are you sure you're not one and the same some of mine have been removed which is also suprising democracy

  67. Posted by: wrexhamdavies at 13:47 on 25 November 2009 Report

    cahill, you have not been in caia park 2 minutes, people have lived on the estate for 40 years,may i say that if you dont like it move on and again what partys are you refering to?

  68. Posted by: dinas at 13:51 on 25 November 2009 Report

    wrexhadavies, Have you been to some sort of Plaid indoctrination camp.You talk of democracy but last Saturday you fully supported the police state to deny your fellow. citizens free speech..You need to get real .

  69. Posted by: wrexhamdavies at 13:57 on 25 November 2009 Report

    dinas , so its ok and sing god save the queen in wales and roll out the st georges flag, and sing we want our country back while in another country,strange that one, im sorry to say im old plaid not new,and if i had my way i would of nicked them all. they had there say and went on there way, any way no citizens of mine rather the ball and crown, queen. im in wales not england

  70. Posted by: Gboycs at 13:59 on 25 November 2009 Report

    Wrexhamdavies, you are in great britain, get used to it.

  71. Posted by: a cahill at 14:01 on 25 November 2009 Report

    As I was saying...... Tommy I agree totally that is through a peoples movement that real change can be effected.... is stands to reason that councillors without party ties and reliant on the support of the community can have the freedom to bring about real change

  72. Posted by: wrexhamdavies at 14:05 on 25 November 2009 Report

    that may be so, and it makes me sick to no that, so please whats great about britain and its oppresive regieme, wales is wales in my books of an occupied invading english force

  73. Posted by: wrexhamdavies at 14:20 on 25 November 2009 Report

    a few points tommy makes are interesting and i would agree a peoples party, inequality and the comment Any movement for real change will have to come from the people,and not politicians who put their careers first. is a very good point and i agree with it totally

  74. Posted by: a cahill at 14:58 on 25 November 2009 Report

    Davies...... are you suggesting that the men and women of the armed forces from Wales are traitors.... They all swear allegiance to the Queen who whatever your view point is sill the head of state even in Wales

  75. Posted by: a cahill at 15:14 on 25 November 2009 Report

    Davies...... one last point to you I have not had any of your posts removed and the only time I ask people to attend meetings is when I was asked by Carrie Harper to do so.... I don't make decisions when meetings areheld and as a result of your insulting and erratic posts on behalf of Plaid Lafur I won't be attending any more of them, preferring instead to ask for an ivestigation in the role of Plaid Councillors in an event that will cost the taxpayer in the long run

  76. Posted by: wrexhamdavies at 15:54 on 25 November 2009 Report

    a.cahill, as you say are you suggesting that the men and women of the armed forces from Wales are traitors.... They all swear allegiance to the Queen who whatever your view point is sill the head of state even in Wales i have not mentioned any one being traitors, and again no one will listen to you, if some body wants to sign for the queen well thats up to ones personnaly choice, and

  77. Posted by: wrexhamdavies at 15:55 on 25 November 2009 Report

    she is not wales queen in my own view, nor is prince charles, i think you need a history lesson why people join the forces, could be that they need the training in a particular field, thats what you call use to ones own advantage a bit like you cahill, your not liked in our community and have no say,

  78. Posted by: wrexhamdavies at 16:00 on 25 November 2009 Report

    a.cahill.i am not and will not be a member of the so called plaid and have never made such postings on there behalf, see you jump the gun and make things as you please, i do not have to toe party lines, and can say what i like, perhaps you should stick to adding comments on the E/L site, end of

  79. Posted by: wrexhamdavies at 16:09 on 25 November 2009 Report

    Dwyt ti'm yn cofio Macsen, does neb yn ei nabod o Mae mil a chwe chant o flynyddoedd yn amser rhy hir i'r co' Aeth Magnus Maximus o Gymru yn y flwyddyn tri chant wyth tri

  80. Posted by: wrexhamdavies at 16:13 on 25 November 2009 Report

    Ryn ni yma o hyd! Ryn ni yma o hyd! Er gwaetha pawb a phopeth (x3) Ryn ni yma o hyd! Chwythed y gwynt o'r dwyrain, rhued y storm o'r môr Hollted y mellt yr wybren a gwaedded y daran encôr Llifed dagrau'r gwangalon a llyfed y taeog y llawr Er dued y fagddu o'n cwmpas, ry'n ni'n barod am doriad y wawr!

  81. Posted by: wrexhamdavies at 16:16 on 25 November 2009 Report

    Cofiwn i Facsen Wledig adael ein gwlad yn un darn A bloeddiwn gerbron y gwledydd 'Byddwn yma hyd Ddydd y Farn!' Er gwaetha pob Dic Siôn Dafydd, er gwaetha 'rhen Tony a'i griw Byddwn yma hyd ddiwedd amser, a bydd yr iaith Gymraeg yn fyw!

  82. Posted by: wrexhamdavies at 16:21 on 25 November 2009 Report

    a.cahill, Dos i'r diawl!

  83. Posted by: Roland Cleth at 08:40 on 26 November 2009 Report

    Davies - Could you please post translations of your last posts to enable the majority of Welsh people to understand them.

  84. Posted by: wrexhamdavies at 09:03 on 26 November 2009 Report

    Mae 'na ddosbarth nos yfory

  85. Posted by: Roland Cleth at 10:32 on 26 November 2009 Report

    Bwrpas. Mae'n iaith farw. :)

 

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