08 December 2013 15:37
A CAMPAIGN group is to be set up to fight proposals to build houses on recreational land near Wrexham.
An application has been made to build homes on a 2.3 hectare section of land at the site of the former Brymbo Steelworks.
The bid has been made by Brymbo Developments Ltd for the former lagoon area to the north east of College Road. It would be opposite Bryn Gwenfro in Tanyfron.
However the Tanyfron and Vron Community Association is objecting to the proposals.
Chairman Robert Evans said the organisation has taken the step of setting up a sub-committee to fight the plans.
The association has listed its objections to the plans which include:
Close proximity to the Brymbo Sports and Social complex football pitches.
Access onto a busy link road without adequate road calming/junctions.
Effect on the local infrastructure such as roads, drainage, schooling and medical/dental facilities.
Mr Evans said: “Brymbo Developments has submitted a proposal for outline planning of housing on a field adjoining the old Brymbo Steelworks site that has always been used by the community for recreational purposes. A possible devastating loss will occur if the go ahead is given to build on Tanyfron’s last piece of recreational land.”
Mr Evans said that over the last eight years Tanyfron had increased substantially in size.
“Its village boundaries have become undefined by local housing developments. What was a village is now in danger of becoming just an extension of Brymbo,” he said.
However, as part of its application documents submitted to Wrexham Council Brymbo Developments says: “The proposals seek to promote design quality in new housing, creating an attractive and safe place for people to live. The proposals also offer sustainable and accessible housing provision needed by the community that will compliment the surrounding street scene and enhance Brymbo.”
In November the Leader reported a public exhibition was held at Brymbo Enterprise Centre outlining proposals for development at the former Brymbo Steelworks site.
A spokesman for Brymbo Developments said it had been well attended and a great deal of interest was shown by visitors.
As well as housing, the plans which were on show included proposals for an express-style sized supermarket and a number of retail units on land off Phoenix Drive.
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Posted by: aphuw at 15:47 on 02 January 2013 Report
Interesting one this.
When several years back BDL tried to get a much smaller site, in the same area, removed from the green barrier in the unitary development plan, the inquiry's inspector said that it was completely unacceptable (all this is in public reports). This resubmitted proposal is of course much bigger.
Posted by: aphuw at 15:54 on 02 January 2013 Report
The development's already been rejected by Planning Committee and again, roundly, by the inspector as an unacceptable intrusion onto the community's last green barrier that even goes against the original development proposals. And here it comes again!
Posted by: Hallow1842 at 16:40 on 02 January 2013 Report
The. "Recreation" area that is referred to is a muddy field used by a few dozen people to let their dogs open their bowels... It is a minefield of dog mess surrounded by a very dodgy looking metal fence / railing.
People need to look toward the future of the area and move with the times.
We need to houses to be built ASAP, they will then have sufficient funding to build the link road and the shops, this will in turn lead to the new school and medical centre.
Posted by: aphuw at 17:10 on 02 January 2013 Report
People did "move with the times", and were promised various things that were not delivered. The developers, meanwhile, have been attempting to add extra houses since well before onset of the current housing market problems. You can't use 'enabling development' to resolve infrastructure deficiencies - see the 2011 appeal rejection.
Posted by: tanyfron.assoc at 17:21 on 02 January 2013 Report
Our recreational area isn't what it used to be due to the fact that the BDL abused the beautiful green lush open field, took 1000's of tons of topsoil to sell for yet more profit, put up some long term temporary eyesore fencing. Then legged it !
And on your last point, funding, 2005 - 6, the BDL had nearly £15 million pound at its disposal. Obviously the shareholders came before local residents.
Posted by: Y Ffin at 23:04 on 02 January 2013 Report
There's acres of unused space on the old Brymbo steelworks site. How come they want to build on a recreation field? Perhaps they might also consider employing some proper architects and landscape designers this time as the current housing is to coin a cliche: overpriced tat.
Posted by: Mrs F at 10:00 on 03 January 2013 Report
So many of us bought houses on the steelworks site with the promise of new amenities from the developers...all we have been left with is negative equity...feel we were all conned and they are now looking to add more houses!!! And who is to say they won't go bck on the plans to built d the link road and amenities again???
Posted by: aphuw at 10:25 on 03 January 2013 Report
Quite right, in the original plans the new houses were supposed to "front onto greenspaces" and "benefit from views". The views will now be of...more houses, if these plans go ahead. Given the amount of public money put into this 'regeneration' we should be having an enquiry, not a planning application
Posted by: Hallow1842 at 15:26 on 03 January 2013 Report
People get a grip. Please build the houses and I'm sure our local councillor will put the necessary pressure on the developers to get everything else in place. Or are we just going to sit back and winge. Silly NIMBY's.....
Posted by: Hallow1842 at 15:55 on 03 January 2013 Report
Posted by: daisymay at 18:52 on 03 January 2013 Report
Do the people of the area want expansion? Who needs the new houses? Would they be affordable? Will they put in place another recreation ground suitably fenced off with an area for dog walkers & where? Pro & cons
Posted by: tanyfron.assoc at 19:22 on 03 January 2013 Report
Lol @ the nimby comments, twice. Perhaps we should just flatten Wales, concrete it over, run a motorway through Snowdonia.......... Glorious & beautiful Wales is my back yard. In that context I am a proud nimby.
Posted by: Hallow1842 at 10:11 on 04 January 2013 Report
Ok sorry, I tell you what. Lets just leave the unfinished link road as it is. Lets just leave the muddy field with the dodgy fence like it is. Lets just leave the area without the promised school, medical center and shops. Lets just leave the area to slowly deteriorate until nobody wants to live here and house prices drop further. Lets just leave everything as it is and look back in ten years time and realise how stupid you have been......
Posted by: Mrs F at 10:18 on 04 January 2013 Report
My fear is that they will build more houses but we still won't get the link road, school, medical centre etc. The last house build was supposed to fund these so what guarantees do we have?
Posted by: Hallow1842 at 10:25 on 04 January 2013 Report
What choice do we have....
Posted by: tanyfron.assoc at 14:01 on 04 January 2013 Report
Are you aware of 7 other sites available within the development boundary ? We are fighting the site ( with options available & green barrier issue ). We would be stupid NOT to fight, and let the area become a legacy of urban progress.
Posted by: Hallow1842 at 20:10 on 04 January 2013 Report
Please save our brown muddy field...... How amusing...
Posted by: daisymay at 20:21 on 04 January 2013 Report
May I ask Hallow if you are a Tanyfron person. I'm not, so I am not qualified to comment but I understand where the local people are coming from. Change for changes sake shouldn't be at any price. I understand that Brymbo & Tanyfron are slowly & surely being joined together. If there are sites acceptable to the local people, why can't they be utilised or are there plans to use them as well as.
Posted by: tanyfron.assoc at 21:22 on 04 January 2013 Report
Please, read up on the facts and figures of this proposal before commenting negatively towards it. But some people may have their own personal agenda rather than the communities interests. Shame.
Posted by: Hallow1842 at 21:48 on 04 January 2013 Report
I am indeed a local resident living in the new development behind the proposed new site. I'm not entirely sure who tanyfron association represent as no one has canvassed my opinion nor that of my neighbours, all of whom are very much in favour of the new build homes and shops.
Posted by: tanyfron.assoc at 22:05 on 04 January 2013 Report
Are you going to back the proposal on the land opposite Bryn Gwenfro, Tan y fron ?
Posted by: tanyfron.assoc at 22:18 on 04 January 2013 Report
Posted by: tanyfron.assoc at 22:42 on 04 January 2013 Report
Posted by: tanyfron.assoc at 22:45 on 04 January 2013 Report
Sorry about the multiple comments. PC refreshing it's browser !
Posted by: thedude at 10:56 on 05 January 2013 Report
Hallow1842 technically you are part of Brymbo therefore not part of tanyfron community association. I see your concern as someone who has purchased a house that came with certain promises, but your concerns should be directed at BDL not the local community. More houses would merge Tanyfron and Brymbo communities, which goes against Wrexham's development plan. Secondly the field was a grassed area before BDL utilised it during the reclamation works who have failed to re-grass and re-fence it.
Posted by: thedude at 10:57 on 05 January 2013 Report
Thirdly BDL have repeatedly refused to sign guarantees to build the link road etc . The original development was 300 houses but it kept growing. If they do not have the finances after gaining aid from public money, open casting and selling the land then that is their problem and should not be forced upon local residents. The infrastructure of the area, such as drainage, is already at bursting point; any more development would have a detrimental effect on the existing site and surrounding area.
Posted by: Hallow1842 at 17:28 on 05 January 2013 Report
I note your last and as such if this area is part of Brymbo not tanyfron then maybe tanyfron association should mind their own business....
Posted by: tanyfron.assoc at 18:28 on 05 January 2013 Report
That's gratitude for you. If someone actually took the time to research the bigger picture, they might be able to see our motives, but still. IF WCBC get this proposal through ? Whats going to be built ? Housing, not homes ? Flats ?
Posted by: tanyfron.assoc at 18:33 on 05 January 2013 Report
Btw, when they build the spine road and infrastructure, it'll may add a few grand to the value of local property, but what if the new housing project actually takes double the added value away ? Think about it !
Posted by: Hallow1842 at 18:44 on 05 January 2013 Report
It will enhance the area, tidy up the muddy field, provide shops and remove the need for local people to travel to Wrexham for groceries etc... In other words it will bring the community back together. Surely that's what you would want... And my point remains, have you actually canvassed the community to see what we want?
Posted by: tanyfron.assoc at 19:55 on 05 January 2013 Report
Whilst I personally agree with what you want ( apart the bit about the muddy field !), but I'm not prepared to sell our communities soul ! Please read the long winded Wrexhams UDL plan. Re canvassing, we have an active member from your estate, but couldn't canvas everyone due to time constraints.
Posted by: thedude at 21:59 on 05 January 2013 Report
The point is all these things, shops, school etc could be achieved without the extra houses and in fact should have already been built. The development will not automatically mean these things will be built...there is no promise for that to happen. What have Tanyfron had out of all the development...nothing but extra traffic and pressure on infrastructure which will only increase
Posted by: Hallow1842 at 19:08 on 06 January 2013 Report
I'm bored of this conversation now. Good luck finding something else to complain about, I'm sure it won't take you too long. Hopefully the plan will be approved having been considered by people who don't still live in the dark ages.... Bye.
Posted by: tanyfron.assoc at 19:38 on 06 January 2013 Report
Thanks for your debate too. I hope for ALL our sakes, you don't get everything you want, and unlike yourself, we won't give up. Bye.
Posted by: stapler12 at 09:21 on 07 January 2013 Report
Ha. People seem to forget there was a stonking great steel works here not 30 years ago. "Glorious & beautiful Wales" my left foot.
Posted by: thedude at 10:15 on 07 January 2013 Report
Without wishing to sound like a broken record...there was never anything on this piece of land in question. Not 40 years ago it was a farm field which was bought by the steelworks but maintained as grassland. The steelworks brought employment to the area...can this much be said of this development??
Posted by: tanyfron at 17:32 on 22 February 2013 Report
I have lived up here in the fron for the last few years and my duaghters both live on the mountain veiw complex. I am very confused why anyone would think of allowing any business to carry on making a huge profit whilst they are still failing in all promises they had made. looking back over the various reports and local opinions of the brymbo developement and experts have said no more !!!!!
Posted by: tanyfron at 18:03 on 22 February 2013 Report
Hallow ?? sure it isn't hollow, I am not against development but I am against greed, when a business fails on promises but just keeps asking for more even against professional & public opinion. someone needs to protect us. Thanks to those i.e. Tanyfron community association and such like, I would like to see an artist impresion r model of proposed changes/development.
Posted by: Seren at 00:27 on 21 April 2013 Report
Here we go again! Why is it that when a development is refused for perfectly good reasons do developers continue to appeal? Oh yes of course! While there is land and money to be made, ,whatever or whoever or is affected means nothing to them, There goal is to make as much money as possible. From 300 houses to 700 +. Time to stop!
Posted by: Seren at 01:32 on 21 April 2013 Report
Following one comment on here I feel I must add that Brymbo Steelworks brought work to the area which was then followed by employment and homes to house the workforce. This development brought nothing but an over developed site, no work and empty promises. Allowing this would open the floodgates for developments on green sites throughout Wales. Wrexham Council have failed to ensure that the 106 agreement was signed so I sincerely hope they protect this land and refuse this application.
Posted by: Seren at 01:44 on 21 April 2013 Report
Brymbo Steelworks brought work to the area which was then followed by employment and homes to house the workforce. This development brought nothing but an over developed site, no work and empty promises. Allowing this would open the floodgates for developments on green sites throughout Wales. Wrexham Council have failed to ensure that the 106 agreement was signed so I sincerely hope they protect this land and refuse this application.
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